Argon contacted me a couple days ago, asking for a reasonable conversation and apparently willing to cooperate. We had an IRC conversation where I explained what the problems where and how they could fix them.
The end result seems to be that Argon has removed everything that us and other homebrew developers have produced, including all of the channels except for WAD Manager (waninkoko obviously let them use that). The Twilight Hack is gone from their archives. I haven’t checked whether they use my nandloader. I suspect they do, but I hope that if I confirm it and tell them they’ll get rid of it too. I’m not sure they know what a nandloader is or whether the one they’re using is mine… Jan 16: Argon has informed me that they are not using my nandloader.
What they didn’t remove is the illegal IOS16, the illegal cIOS, the illegal banner, etc. They probably realized that there’s no chance of argonchannel existing in a usable form without stealing from Nintendo (at least not with their skillset), so they decided to take their chances. Fine with me – it’s not my problem.
Update: Argon contacted me again on Jan 16. I guess they’ve finally seen the light – they’re getting rid of the illegal 3.4 firmware installer and the copied banner. The current downloads are supposed to be going down soon and a clean version should come up on Monday.
As far as I’m concerned, the battle is over with the homebrew scene. Nintendo can still get these guys in a load of trouble though, as things currently stand. Most modchips are illegal in some countries, but, well, the current Argonchannel installer is illegal in practically the entire world.
9 responses so far ↓
1 beez276 // Jan 15, 2009 at 11:30 am
Glad things worked out for you!
2 qiantpune // Jan 15, 2009 at 11:42 am
The God Marcan giveth and he also taketh away, with threats of legal action.
I’m kinda surprised they seen to care a lot what you guys think more than what the bajillion dollar company Nintendo thinks.
3 noir // Jan 15, 2009 at 2:48 pm
@qiantpune
I’m guessing if Nintendo really went after them they would pay attention. I also think that Team Twiizers holds a fairly big influence on the demographic that the folks at Argon are after.
4 roboprez // Jan 15, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Just a question, has anyone ever been sued by Nintendo because of soft/hard mods?
5 linkinworm-c98 // Jan 16, 2009 at 12:45 pm
ahah, yea i tested wanins own nandloader, you got no worries there marcan
6 Remadon // Jan 16, 2009 at 6:21 pm
This is good! No Sueing!
7 murkantor // Jan 17, 2009 at 5:32 pm
It’s nice to know that Argon has come to their senses and removed all illegal content.
Situations like this make us all look bad.
8 Beje // Jan 18, 2009 at 2:04 pm
So, they are left with a HBC half-assed knock-off that doesn’t work on 3.4 and that only can run a WAD Manager.
I’d love to see how do they manage to market such “awesome hacking system” as a breaking point for their modchip
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