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	<description>Notes from inside your Wii</description>
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		<title>By: macweirdo</title>
		<link>http://hackmii.com/2010/02/lawsuit-coming-in-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6189</link>
		<dc:creator>macweirdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 20:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nitro2k01: No, the Acekard will just give you an error screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nitro2k01: No, the Acekard will just give you an error screen.</p>
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		<title>By: nitro2k01</title>
		<link>http://hackmii.com/2010/02/lawsuit-coming-in-3-2-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6092</link>
		<dc:creator>nitro2k01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 00:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>derfman24: But can you boot it when it shows the Acekard logo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>derfman24: But can you boot it when it shows the Acekard logo?</p>
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		<title>By: derfman24</title>
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		<dc:creator>derfman24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Acekard 2i shows up Danny Phantom Urban Jungle on my DSi, but I eject and insert the cartridge really fast, it will show up with the original Acekard 2i logo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Acekard 2i shows up Danny Phantom Urban Jungle on my DSi, but I eject and insert the cartridge really fast, it will show up with the original Acekard 2i logo.</p>
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		<title>By: bushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>bushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lexmark vs SCC is an interesting case, and the closest we&#039;ll get to a parallel.  I think that if Nintendo sued Datel, it would be an ugly court battle, regardless of the merits.   In this case, the almost-a-megabyte-chunk of ROM would be parallel to the 55-byte &quot;Toner Loading Program&quot; in the Lexmark cartridges.  Reading the majority opinion, it sounds like they&#039;re saying that the Toner Loading Program should not necessarily be subject to copyright, as it is primarily functional in nature -- I don&#039;t think anyone could claim the same about a megabyte of code / data from a video game.  There&#039;s a quote on the Wikipedia page for it to the extent that one of the judges said that the same principles should apply, even if the program were more complicated than the TLP -- but still, we&#039;re talking several orders of magnitude here, and that statement was more to address the DMCA circumvention claim than the straight-up copyright claim.

I heard the EFF&#039;s Jennifer Granick speak a bit about this recently; she said there generally needs to be a &quot;nexus of infringement&quot; for DMCA cases, which means that some sort of actual IP copyright violation has to be occurring in conjunction with the alleged DMCA violation -- meaning, the DMCA should not be used in cases like Lexmark vs. SCC where the real issue is a physical good (like a printer cartridge), as opposed to a movie or computer program.   They could still just ignore the DMCA and only try to take on the copyright issue ... I don&#039;t know, the whole thing makes my head hurt, and it&#039;s pretty clear that it&#039;s complicated enough that lawyers on both sides would have to put in a lot of time and money to prevail, one way or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lexmark vs SCC is an interesting case, and the closest we&#8217;ll get to a parallel.  I think that if Nintendo sued Datel, it would be an ugly court battle, regardless of the merits.   In this case, the almost-a-megabyte-chunk of ROM would be parallel to the 55-byte &#8220;Toner Loading Program&#8221; in the Lexmark cartridges.  Reading the majority opinion, it sounds like they&#8217;re saying that the Toner Loading Program should not necessarily be subject to copyright, as it is primarily functional in nature &#8212; I don&#8217;t think anyone could claim the same about a megabyte of code / data from a video game.  There&#8217;s a quote on the Wikipedia page for it to the extent that one of the judges said that the same principles should apply, even if the program were more complicated than the TLP &#8212; but still, we&#8217;re talking several orders of magnitude here, and that statement was more to address the DMCA circumvention claim than the straight-up copyright claim.</p>
<p>I heard the EFF&#8217;s Jennifer Granick speak a bit about this recently; she said there generally needs to be a &#8220;nexus of infringement&#8221; for DMCA cases, which means that some sort of actual IP copyright violation has to be occurring in conjunction with the alleged DMCA violation &#8212; meaning, the DMCA should not be used in cases like Lexmark vs. SCC where the real issue is a physical good (like a printer cartridge), as opposed to a movie or computer program.   They could still just ignore the DMCA and only try to take on the copyright issue &#8230; I don&#8217;t know, the whole thing makes my head hurt, and it&#8217;s pretty clear that it&#8217;s complicated enough that lawyers on both sides would have to put in a lot of time and money to prevail, one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: user469</title>
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		<dc:creator>user469</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can the recent Pwn2Own iPhone exploit used for a DSi ?
The payload used chained return-into-libc (&quot;return oriented programming&quot;) on ARM to execute in spite of code signing. As far as we know, this is the first public demonstration of chainged return-into-libc on thre ARM platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can the recent Pwn2Own iPhone exploit used for a DSi ?<br />
The payload used chained return-into-libc (&#8220;return oriented programming&#8221;) on ARM to execute in spite of code signing. As far as we know, this is the first public demonstration of chainged return-into-libc on thre ARM platform.</p>
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		<title>By: ariolander.wordpress.com/</title>
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		<dc:creator>ariolander.wordpress.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how Lexmark International, Inc. v. Static Control Components, Inc.&#039;s supreme court case would apply to this situation?

The United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit ruled that circumvention of Lexmark&#039;s ink cartridge lock does not violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

Lexmark had print toner cartrages that had digital protection chips in them that told them to &quot;expire&quot; even before the ink ran out after, x amount of prints, or x amount of time.

Each cartrage had to go through an encrypted authentication sequence and a checksum matching  process.

SCC developed its own computer chip that would duplicate the &#039;handshake&#039; used by the Lexmark chip. SCC&#039;s chip also included a verbatim copy of the loading program, which SCC claimed was necessary to allow the printer to function.

Either way the appelate ruled in favor for SCC saying &quot;&#039;Lock-out&#039; codes -- codes that must be performed in a certain way in order to bypass a security system -- are generally considered functional rather than creative, and thus unprotectable&quot;.

One of the Judges went so far as to say &quot;We should make clear that in the future companies like Lexmark cannot use the DMCA in conjunction with copyright law to create monopolies of manufacturer goods for themselves&quot;

Either way Datel can probably be sued certainly but the legality of such &quot;lockouts&quot; and copying ROMs to bypass security and authentications is still up for debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how Lexmark International, Inc. v. Static Control Components, Inc.&#8217;s supreme court case would apply to this situation?</p>
<p>The United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit ruled that circumvention of Lexmark&#8217;s ink cartridge lock does not violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).</p>
<p>Lexmark had print toner cartrages that had digital protection chips in them that told them to &#8220;expire&#8221; even before the ink ran out after, x amount of prints, or x amount of time.</p>
<p>Each cartrage had to go through an encrypted authentication sequence and a checksum matching  process.</p>
<p>SCC developed its own computer chip that would duplicate the &#8216;handshake&#8217; used by the Lexmark chip. SCC&#8217;s chip also included a verbatim copy of the loading program, which SCC claimed was necessary to allow the printer to function.</p>
<p>Either way the appelate ruled in favor for SCC saying &#8220;&#8216;Lock-out&#8217; codes &#8212; codes that must be performed in a certain way in order to bypass a security system &#8212; are generally considered functional rather than creative, and thus unprotectable&#8221;.</p>
<p>One of the Judges went so far as to say &#8220;We should make clear that in the future companies like Lexmark cannot use the DMCA in conjunction with copyright law to create monopolies of manufacturer goods for themselves&#8221;</p>
<p>Either way Datel can probably be sued certainly but the legality of such &#8220;lockouts&#8221; and copying ROMs to bypass security and authentications is still up for debate.</p>
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		<title>By: nitro2k01</title>
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		<dc:creator>nitro2k01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@evanextreme To the best of my knowledge, the AR for PSP is cryptagraphically signed, which either means Datel has an agreement with Sony or the keys were leaked.

@user469 It seems like iEDGE requires the user to download a ROM image of a game and patch the bootstrap with. They still need a game, but they leave that to the user so that they (iEDGE) don&#039;t have to distribute copyrighted material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@evanextreme To the best of my knowledge, the AR for PSP is cryptagraphically signed, which either means Datel has an agreement with Sony or the keys were leaked.</p>
<p>@user469 It seems like iEDGE requires the user to download a ROM image of a game and patch the bootstrap with. They still need a game, but they leave that to the user so that they (iEDGE) don&#8217;t have to distribute copyrighted material.</p>
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		<title>By: user469</title>
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		<dc:creator>user469</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@blasty I wonder how iEdge created a legal card with a different help loader that contains no game data when is new . I&#039;m very interested if you can  unveil the secrets of DSi compatible DS flashcarts , and also explain why card for the DS are different from card for DSi so they cannot be upgaded and booted in the latest .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@blasty I wonder how iEdge created a legal card with a different help loader that contains no game data when is new . I&#8217;m very interested if you can  unveil the secrets of DSi compatible DS flashcarts , and also explain why card for the DS are different from card for DSi so they cannot be upgaded and booted in the latest .</p>
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		<title>By: fr3sc0</title>
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		<dc:creator>fr3sc0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I don&#039;t really understand everything said I did enjoy this post. Gets me fired up to educate myself more into these things.

*blasty are you by any chance dutch?* Since the pics are hosted at a .nl domain ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I don&#8217;t really understand everything said I did enjoy this post. Gets me fired up to educate myself more into these things.</p>
<p>*blasty are you by any chance dutch?* Since the pics are hosted at a .nl domain <img src='http://hackmii.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: evanextreme</title>
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		<dc:creator>evanextreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Blasty, ive been a homebrew user for about a year now, and i have the HB channel, and a DSi action replay.
Recently I discovered the PSP action replay, which actually works by having a program to install it from your pc, and then it functions like a normal PSP app! I was thinking, that if someone could get to the inner workings of what datel does, we could have PSP homebrew without sticking with our current firmware!
do you think team twiizers would be able to find out how it works?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Blasty, ive been a homebrew user for about a year now, and i have the HB channel, and a DSi action replay.<br />
Recently I discovered the PSP action replay, which actually works by having a program to install it from your pc, and then it functions like a normal PSP app! I was thinking, that if someone could get to the inner workings of what datel does, we could have PSP homebrew without sticking with our current firmware!<br />
do you think team twiizers would be able to find out how it works?</p>
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