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System Menu 4.0 Rundown

March 25th, 2009 by marcan · 103 Comments

I’ll keep this brief.

  • Nintendo, as expected, half-assed the SD feature by just automating the copy to NAND. No surprise there.
  • The IOS16 that warez users used to pirate is no longer an option, thank goodness.
  • HBC survives. So does DVDX.
  • They fixed the bug that the HBC installer and DVDX 3.4 installer use; time to bring out another one.
  • Twilight Hack no longer works. I’d like to remind everyone that this exploit has been in use for over a year. Whether it comes back or a new game exploit takes its place, I think we can say it’s served us all well.
  • No new problems expected with BootMii, other than needing a new exploit as mentioned above.

Yes, solutions are being worked on to run code via games and to install HBC. Sheesh.

Tags: Wii

103 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Makar // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Hopefully a new exploit will show up. I removed my homebrew a few days ago and planed on reinstalling it today, but my stupid brother updated my Wii ._.

  • 2 Akghar // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Rest In Sweet Peace, dear old Twilght Hack.
    You served me well.

    To the team… Any hints on which game would be needed if the hack doesn’t work anymore ?

  • 3 Nyoronoru // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:40 am

    What is IOS16?

  • 4 mtu // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Okay, that was fast. Thanks for the heads up!

    Any specific recommendations on whether updating or not is useful if you’ve got HBC and DVDX on the system already?

  • 5 AcADIeN // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:43 am

    R.I.P Twilight hack

  • 6 waterboy100 // Mar 25, 2009 at 11:45 am

    so basically we can update and not have too many problems?

    sorry i am not too up to speed on IOS’s and the like. i need plain english. :-)

  • 7 marcan // Mar 25, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    English: If you want to use the Wii Shop or the new features, and have HBC and DVDX, then updating safe.

    New exploits exist and are on the way.

    IOS16 is a lame trick that pirates used to pirate VC/Warez on 3.4, by pirating IOS16 itself.

  • 8 Dykam // Mar 25, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Good job Nintendo, less damage to HB, more to SoftMod.

  • 9 tech3475 // Mar 25, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    “Nintendo, as expected, half-assed the SD feature by just automating the copy to NAND. No surprise there.”

    Wont that just wear it out even faster?

  • 10 FRanatic // Mar 25, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    I am aware the following question is abit of a no-no, but I’ll risk it anyway.

    Will this update bring BootMii closer to a release, as the installer can now be made compatible with the new systemmenu ?

  • 11 http://maikelsteneker.blogspot.com/ // Mar 25, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Thanks for the quick update. I’m glad to know that new exploits are already in the works (or finished?) and I can’t wait to see what games they’ll work with! Anyway, the Twilight Hack was completely worth the money I had to spend on Twilight Princess, and I’m ready to do it again!

  • 12 Akghar // Mar 25, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    So how do this “SDHC system menu” work ?

    Would it be possible to download HBC, maybe sign it with the wii’s keys, and then copy it to the SDHC ?

  • 13 Fenopy // Mar 25, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Does IOS16 include installing custom channels as well or is it specific to installing Virtual Console/WiiWare games?
    Cause I really like my Gecko channel… haha..

  • 14 Bent // Mar 25, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    So what is the HCCJ channel that’s in the update? It isn’t in the title database, and there wasn’t much info I could find about it.

  • 15 djdynamite123 // Mar 25, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    sounds promising marcan ;)
    Have fun with 4.0, also yes, TP Hack -1 year = “amazing”. Nice history moment :P hehe

  • 16 WiiMan // Mar 25, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    I’m going to wait for BootMii to come before updating. All those new features are great, and WiiWare is shaping up nicely, but I want to have full control before downloading those features.

    “Nintendo, as expected, half-assed the SD feature by just automating the copy to NAND.”
    What is the size of free NAND?

  • 17 Knocks // Mar 25, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    So Japan-exclusive VC/Wiiware won’t install on US/PAL machines anymore since you can’t use Wad Manager and the like.

  • 18 darkroy // Mar 25, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    So… the Homebrew Channel still works perfectly? I’ve heard the update would totally remove it…

  • 19 Familyguy // Mar 25, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Is the SDHC features accessible by homebrews after the update ? (I mean can homebrew softwares, or the HBC itself) access or load files fomr sdhc card once this has been installed ?

    Thank you,

    FG

  • 20 Muzer // Mar 25, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Comex found a few exploits that may or may not be your exploit, but I assume you know that already. This is for fakesigned installation.

    Also, now that Nintendo have fixed it, would you mind telling us how your exploit worked?

  • 21 me.yahoo.com/thegamefrea… // Mar 25, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    @Akghar: You know, that’s not really a bad option to look into: is it possible to trick the part of the menu that auto-loads content from the SD card to run into loading the Homebrew Channel? If so, that would be a very nice “no trace” way to launch homebrew.

    …ideally at least. I’d imagine content loaded in this way still leaves a ticket behind. Plus, if we weren’t able to get the homebrew channel to copy directly before, I don’t see how we could do it now. That said, it never hurts to look.

  • 22 Alejandro Magno // Mar 25, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Marcan,ya que tenemos un Scener de España,ponlo tambien en español.

  • 23 marcan // Mar 25, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    IOS16 is an illegal download in and of itself and therefore will not be discussed here.

    We have never supported screwing around with channels, mods, or any changes to the Wii NAND that are not strictly necessary, nor have we ever thought they were a good idea. If you want to do any of that you’re on your own.

    We will not disclose the old exploit at this time as it would still serve all the pirates on 3.4 who currently need to use IOS16 (which disqualifies them from such discussion on semi-sane forums, since IOS16 is itself illegal).

    We do not and will not support downgrading of any sort unless it is strictly necessary to use homebrew at all. It’s intrusive, dangerous, and so far not necessary.

    SDHC has been possible on homebrew for a long time, so the new features don’t really help homebrew in any way.

    The new “launch from SD” feature is just an automated copy. Copying homebrew from SD has never worked and will not work if you’ve never had it installed. It used to work on 3.2 and earlier as a backup mechanism (having the channel previously installed), but that’s not longer the case. There’s no reason to have more than one homebrew channel anyway (a launcher), and not much space to save by putting it on SD. Even if homebrew directly from SD would be doable, it’d be as intrusive as installing it, because it actually does get installed on NAND to run. So we aren’t going to go that route either.

    What we are going to do is work on BootMii and make sure it works on all firmware versions to date – as boot2 on all Wiis with boot1v1, and as a channel on all Wiis period, regardless of the installed firmware version. That is all we need for homebrew, and that is as powerful as homebrew is ever going to get (full control over the console). There’s no need to waste time on other things.

  • 24 djdynamite123 // Mar 25, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    tech3475 :

    “Nintendo, as expected, half-assed the SD feature by just automating the copy to NAND. No surprise there.”
    Wont that just wear it out even faster?

    And? it’s a easy solution Nintendo did, the wii will still have the same life expectancy as it would without the feature, stressing the Nand or questions like that, make me laugh.

  • 25 kmeisthax // Mar 25, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    >Here you can launch channels saved on SD Cards by temporarily utilizing the Wii System Memory.

    Early NAND failure CONFIRMED!

    I hope they are at least caching the data so you don’t have to copy it every time you play a game.

  • 26 agonyou // Mar 25, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    So to be clear:

    1. Does the 4.0 update break the already installed HomeBrew Channel on your Wii?

    2. The 4.0 update currently prevents HomeBrew Channel from being installed?

    From what I can tell, so far, the answer to 1 is no, and the answer to 2 is yes.

    Can someone please confirm if this is correct in that simple a manner? :) I’d like to keep this straight.

    –Agony

  • 27 marcan // Mar 25, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Correct.

  • 28 agonyou // Mar 25, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Thanks marcan.

  • 29 CoasterMaster // Mar 25, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    What was the exploit that HBC/DVDx used? I poked around the Wiibrew wiki but couldn’t find any information.

  • 30 sanderevers // Mar 25, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    You can’t get it simpler than that ;)

    I, for one, am happy with the update. This leaves more room on the NAND for save games.

  • 31 maddoc // Mar 25, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    And they specifically blocked on 4.0 HAXX on a disc title, like you could start fakesigned disc anymore from disc channel.
    Really laughable…

  • 32 Ibrahim Awwal // Mar 25, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    So this has no adverse effects on BootMii? Only people with the new version of boot1 will be unable to install BootMii as boot2? That’s pretty great I guess.

  • 33 panzeroceania // Mar 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    so basically, if I already have everything I want on my wii now, and update, I will be able to get bootmii when it comes out on version 4.0? And I won’t have to wait longer than the people on 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 etc.

    Also, do you have an E.T.A. on bootmii?

  • 34 Zoombus // Mar 25, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    So wait…If I told preloader to allow region free games, skip disc update check etc, don’t I need some IOS file from 5.0 if I want to play a game that requires that update? I remember having to do that to play AC: CF.

    PS. If this is illegal just tell me and I’ll stop!

  • 35 kevind23 // Mar 25, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Interesting. So this is Nintendo’s big storage upgrade, eh? Still no harddrives?!

    I think you should delay posting any new exploits/installers, and try to catch those who steal and sell them.

  • 36 openid.aol.com/knuxt15 // Mar 25, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    @CoasterMaster: Read comment #20 again:
    “We will not disclose the old exploit at this time as it would still serve all the pirates on 3.4 who currently need to use IOS16 (which disqualifies them from such discussion on semi-sane forums, since IOS16 is itself illegal).” -marcan

  • 37 oanju123 // Mar 25, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    ok…defin not getting this…

    so the update will let me use a 32gb sd card….

    but will i lose the ability to:

    a) play dvds
    b) use homebrew
    c) use the game backup launcher?

    thank youuuuuuuu….

  • 38 panzeroceania // Mar 25, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    kevin, I’d imagine the entire virtual console library and wiiware library could currently be held on one SD card

  • 39 Stalkid64 // Mar 25, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    @kevind23: Pretty much a waste of time and resources overall. Sad but true.
    (Hi to marcan, bushing , Erant, svpe and co. while I’m here. I’ll have decent interweb access back any day now, I’m sure… yeah, I wish.)

  • 40 Warlock-Kyo // Mar 25, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Hi guys, forgive my noobness. but i recently bouth a wii set in brazil (unfortunatelly it was shiped with the cIOS mods installed) i realized when i first turned it on and found the backup channel on it…

    i would only like to know if its safe to update the system.

    i just do not want a brick, since it was not my choice to have them installed.

  • 41 HyperHacker // Mar 25, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    So what good does 4.0 bring?

    Heh, they finally plugged the Twilight Hack… third time’s the charm, I guess. ;-)

  • 42 noamattd.livejournal.com/ // Mar 25, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    I’m less concerned about “nand failure” and more pissed about “I still need to have a big chunk of NAND empty if I want to run something off an SD card, which means the size limit for wiiware/dlc is likely to remain very small.”

  • 43 jline64 // Mar 25, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    I dunno if anyone else has tried, but I happened to have the homebrew channel on my SD card as well as on my wii, so for kicks I launched the HBC off the SD card and it launched it with no problems at all. Is that because I have the HBC on my wii too?

  • 44 DrLucky // Mar 25, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    R.I.P Zelda, Twilight Hack…you were a great tool, and lived a long life.

    BTW, to everyone else, TT has said before that they had an arsenal of hacks unreleased ready to use as a plan ‘B’. IDK how many of those were knocked-out too though

  • 45 XXXW0 // Mar 25, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    To panzerooceania or whatever your name is. STOP BUGGING MARCAN AND BUSHING FOR BOOTMII, WHEN IT COMES OUT IT COMES OUT!!!!!!
    and a general reminder to everyone not to do as he has

  • 46 master-haakon.livejournal.com/ // Mar 25, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Does the update add support for SDHC to the photo channel?

  • 47 CoasterMaster // Mar 25, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    @knuxt15:

    My bad, it didn’t click because I figured it had been closed by 4.0 and was of no use anymore.

  • 48 ShadowMario // Mar 25, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    there some way to install homebrew channel
    without Twilight hack now in some Wii 4.0 now?For example, if people who already have the wii homebrew installed with me through MSN Homebrrew the channel and the homebrew I move to my sd card for my Wii and consequently that it is 4.0 …. work?

  • 49 11rcombs // Mar 25, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    I upgraded. It didn’t kill any homebrew, just installers that I don’t need any more.

  • 50 jpx92681 // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:50 am

    I really think that the future of the nintendo´s homebrew could not be in better hands! i really glad that marcan and all of you guys behind hackmii have the leadership in this goal of making the wii completelly ours. Your focus is great IOSI6 is illegal and is easy to understand that, im looking forward to use bootmii. Success with that developement.
    tx. JPx

  • 51 lnz // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:54 am

    With Bootmii it should be possible to chose between multiple sysmenus right? So that I can wait for Bootmii and install 4.0 parallel to my current sysmenu?

  • 52 me.yahoo.com/lordfish0 // Mar 26, 2009 at 5:21 am

    Is it posible to downgrade with SaveMii and the wii-system-menu-update-PAL-v290-repad.iso?

  • 53 pokeman7452 // Mar 26, 2009 at 6:35 am

    The fact that HBC still works seems…surprising. Is there any evidence that they are not removing it on purpose? How easy wold it be for Nintendo to kill previously installed fake channels? How does that compare to the efforts they have made to kill the twillight hack?
    Also, are you or anyone you know working on a “hombrew friendly” update to add the new features or should I update and trust I can still install bootmii?
    Great work so far and thanks again!

  • 54 me.yahoo.com/lordfish0 // Mar 26, 2009 at 7:28 am

    @master-haakon.livejournal.com
    yeah Photochannel has SDHC Support

  • 55 JakeyBoy // Mar 26, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Any chances of an exploit in Wii Sports? I guess it’s been checked already. I just couldn’t be ****ed renting TP, so perhaps it would make more sense.

    So, if I don’t update until afterwards, it’s save to use HBC? I’d rather that than a SD thing. Of course the latter is more likely to work seeing as a mishap with a Sony flash cart killed my laptop’s SD slot.

  • 56 bazross1969 // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Hi guys Im new here but have a question do you guys think there will be a hack out for the new 4.0 update ?
    Regards Baz

  • 57 estevam // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    People, I have a question for a special case. I have System Menu 3.3 with the OCT23 Updates. I don’t have any homebrews, but I really like the Team Twiizers work, I’ve read A LOT about homebrews. I wanted to install the DVDX 3.4 and HBC before installing System Menu 4.0, because Twilight Hack is dead. Can I install DVDX 3.4 in my System Menu 3.3 to let it work when I update my Wii to version 4.0?

  • 58 SuperToxic // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    As soon as I get ready to borrow twilight princess from my friend, this update comes out and now blocks it.
    Any chances of a new game exploit? I don’t really want to run bootmii and would just like to have homebrew channel.

  • 59 mentaldominance // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    I’m new to this site so please forgive, I can’t find a way to simply send a message to Marcan yet so I’m just putting this here. I have tried on 2 seperate occasions now to get the HBC to work with an SDHC card. Both times I have failed. I have tried 2 different cards. IT simply does not recognise them. HOWEVER… I have upgraded to the new 4.0 menu with Wanikoko’s upgrader and the new SD menu works with both of my cards, prooving that the cards are able to be communicated with. When I go into the homebrew channel it just shows nothing. However, when I come back from the HBC, the SD menu says the SD card is bad but if I reboot or I don’t go to the HBC, the sd cards work find with SD menu. I have even tried making channels of specific apps (namely Media Player CE) that are supposedly SDHC compatible and put the sdhc card in with the necessary files and the same result occurs. I have head other people talk about SDHC cards that don’t work and the reply was something like they couldn’t be supported but obviously they can as the SD MENU works with them fine. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I just wasted money buying a new sdhc card that I hoped to work with my homebrew apps and do not want to make another error. Thanks!

  • 60 WiiMan // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Is there any way to install DVDX after upgrading to the new firmware? I already had DVDX 3.4 installed before the update, but, as with every update, I thought that I needed to reinstall DVDX. So I hit uninstall on the 3.4 loader and then began the installation, realizing too late that the bug that allows the installation of DVDX has been fixed in the update. Is there any way to temporarily downgrade to an old firmware, maybe through Menu Loader? I have the Homebrew Channel installed.

  • 61 marcan // Mar 26, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    @estevam:
    Both DVDX versions are the same. Only the installer changes. Either way, the DVDX 3.4 installer is what you’ll want to use, since you have the Oct23 updates.

    @SuperToxic:
    It’s coming. We may not release a new version of The Homebrew Channel though. It’s quite possible that we’ll make it a BootMii application, so instead you may install BootMii as boot2 or BootMii as a channel. Works the same, more features.

    @mentaldominance:
    Not all SDHC cards work with the current method and drivers, sorry. We’d be very interested in whether your cards will work with the upcoming bootmii installer though, as some cards (SD and SDHC) have difficulties and we’re debugging our drivers (which are completely new with BootMii). Please stay tuned and report feedback when the first beta comes out.

    @WiiMan:
    Sorry, you’re out of luck for now. Stay tuned for BootMii and BootMii apps, since those won’t require DVDX.

  • 62 tavery // Mar 26, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Just to reiterate what mentaldominance was asking… I have a 16GB Kingston card that does not work with the HBC but does work with Sysmenu 4.0. Forgive my ignorance, but is there no way (in future updates) to allow the inclusion of these devices as their use is enabled in the Nintendo-based SDHC solution? It would seem that there must be some way to “piggyback” off their SDHC offering.

  • 63 Lack Thereof // Mar 26, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    I have updated my Wii to system menu 4.0

    However, I still have an old version of HBC installed. When the HBC autoupdater runs, it gives a scary warning about the new version not being tested on my system. Is it safe to update HBC to the current version?

  • 64 marcan // Mar 26, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    @tavery:
    Most of the Nintendo driver is on the PPC side (this is why we were able to mostly get SDHC working, with a few hacks, and no IOS mods). It’s possible that the new drivers might help compatibility in some way, and we could probably use them (and avoid the need for the workarounds for SDHC support that we’ve used), but it’s also quite likely that the current issues are just due to driver problems on our side. It would also mean having to increase the IOS version that we use, which means analyzing more IOSes and debugging any issues.

    Since BootMii does not utilize any Nintendo software and uses entirely custom drivers, current efforts at compatibility are going into that driver. Eventually our goal is to rid ourselves of any dependencies on Nintendo software. We can certainly get compatibility as good as or even better than Nintendo that way.

    @Lack Thereof:
    Chances are the updater won’t work on the new version. There should be no danger to your system itself, but it’s quite possible that the updater will remove the old version of HBC and fail to install the new one, meaning you’d lose HBC and wouldn’t be able to put it back. I strongly recommend that you don’t attempt to use it at this point, mostly due to danger to HBC itself, not your system.

  • 65 EndlessChaos // Mar 26, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Hi there. Just wonderin if you guys are working on a new hack to install the HBC because I deleted HBC a week ago (stupid me) then updated last night, and just now got to borrow Loz TP from my friend today then found out I cant copy the Twilight hack.

  • 66 WiiMan // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    how much longer is it going to take
    i just have twilight princess till 03/27, and i updated my wii w/out knowing.

    HOW MUCH LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 67 jjsullivan // Mar 27, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Well I tried copying my copy of the homebrew channel to my SD card, Worked.

    Booted from nintendo’s half ass NAND bootloader with home brew channel, Worked.

    Loaded Homebrew from SD, Worked.

    Now the only thing is to see if there is another exploit that can load the homebrew channel installer correctly through the NAND bootloader.

    Also maybe the homebrew channel can be copied to the SD through a computer. Just for now until the home brew channel installer will work again.

    Also just a suggestion, maybe the home brew channel may not need an installer anymore. If you guys can make a home brew app that can match the signature ID of the NAND backup of the homebrew channel with a signature ID in the wii’s internal memory then it can be installed by just copying it to the wii’s memory like any other backup channel.(Once again, I don’t know if you’ve already tried this, my wii just gave me the option of coping HBC back into my wii’s internal memory.)

  • 68 Stan-O // Mar 27, 2009 at 3:05 am

    I’ve recently got a Wii as well, it came with 3.4U and I was able to install HBC no problem.

    I mainly play Wii Sports and Wii Fit which came with the Wii and Wii Fit accordingly. I’d like to get away from keeping changing discs all the time, with the new System Update 4.0 could I just copy one of the discs to an SD Card?

    I’ve already installed the Wii Fit channel, but it still requires the disc to run. :( Will System Update 4.0 help me?

    Thanks!

  • 69 marcan // Mar 27, 2009 at 7:35 am

    @jjsullivan:

    Copying a channel from SD does NOT work unless you’ve patched your IOS like the warezors have. It also will NEVER work on a Wii that hasn’t had HBC installed before. Booting HBC from SD works fine if you haven’t deleted it from NAND, because then the system menu takes a shortcut and just runs it from NAND. It does NOT work if you actually delete it from NAND first, unless you’ve patched your IOS for fakesigned warez as I mentioned.

    The new SD menu isn’t new. It’s just channel backups (which we’ve had for many versions now) with automatic launching. Distributing HBC as a channel backup has never worked and never will work due to the requirement of a preinstalled ticket. Channel backups don’t carry tickets. They’re also still signed by Nintendo and those signatures ARE checked on restore, which means we will never be able to distribute anything using that method. They’re not save files and can’t be modified at will.

    I deleted your subsequent post because it’s useless, as your method won’t work at all.

    @Stan-O:
    You can’t copy discs to SD, only VC/WiiWare channels.

  • 70 Alexander Pas // Mar 27, 2009 at 8:37 am

    This is a reprt from the front lines.

    Current status of my Wii:

    Savegames: 912 blocks. (135 unique saves!!!)

    Worst offenders:

    * Super Smash Bros (128 ) — UNMOVEABLE!!!
    * Nintendo Channel (126) — WTF???
    * mySims Kingdom (121)
    * Eledees (109)– UNMOVEABLE!!!
    * MySims (97)

    Channels: 791 blocks.

    * Internet Channel (254)
    * Nintendo Channel (126) — WTF??? AGAIN??? also, messages.
    * Wii Fit (120) — usage: daily
    * Mii Contest Channel (91) — messages again.
    * Mario Kart Wii (86) — gives mesages!!!
    * Everybody Votes (59)
    * Wii Speak Channel 2.0 (52)
    * Photo channel 1.1 (3)

    Homebrew (all inclusive): somewhere around 15 blocks. (HBC + DVDX)

    Free space: 345 blocks.

    margin required to play all VC games: 300 blocks (Zelda OoT is 296 blocks!)

    True Free space: 45 Blocks

    Free space on SDHC card: 30.5 GB

  • 71 TiMeBoMb // Mar 27, 2009 at 10:42 am

    “Long-time reader, first-time poster!”

    First of all, I would like to thank all the members of Team Twiizers!! Without your HIGHLY used Twilight Hack and The Homebrew Channel, the homebrew scene would literally be dead. GREAT JOB!

    Secondly, with the release of System Menu v4.0, will we be seeing a new release of The Homebrew Channel any time soon? If so, should we expect any new features?

    You guys are ALWAYS impressing me with The Homebrew Channel’s nifty built-in features, so I’m sure you’re planning something AMAZING!!

    I can’t wait to see what the future in homebrew is!

    =)

  • 72 emailtoid.net/i/019b6913/… // Mar 27, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Now that the Twilight Hack is done, can we get a post-mortem or a source release?

  • 73 marcan // Mar 27, 2009 at 11:27 am

    The only reason we don’t have a source release is because segher said he was going to do it about a year ago and still hasn’t gotten down to it ;)

    The latest exploit to bypass the system menu check, which we didn’t document (out of laziness, mostly), is pretty similar to the previous one. There were two things: they checked for Zelda and only copied its save data file, not our loader.bin. So we appended loader.bin to the regular save file (Zelda doesn’t care,it only reads as much data as it needs). Then, for the actual exploit check, there was a logic bug that meant it only checked the last file in the save. So we added a bullshit file after the Zelda one (which wouldn’t get copied anyway). That’s it.

  • 74 jjsullivan // Mar 27, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    @marcan:

    Thanks for letting me know, I didn’t know that the IOS16 had to be patched to boot from SD with homebrew. The only useful thing that I got from that try is that content can be loaded from the SD card through the NAND bootloader. Which nintendo said would be impossible. Maybe just some knowledge for the future.

    Also you guys are awesome for making the homebrew channel and the twilight hack. And I hope this info is useful to you =-)

  • 75 jjsullivan // Mar 27, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Oh, sorry got my terms mixed up, I didn’t mean IOS16, just the normal IOS.

  • 76 fergochos // Mar 27, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    with how game instal the homebrew chane?

    is super smash bros brawl

  • 77 SuperToxic // Mar 27, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    fergochos there isn’t a game with a exploit yet.
    It would have to be a game without Wi-Fi (Nintendo Patches) and without miis (Your miis aren’t on every wii console)
    That narrows it down to a small margin of games with all the shovelware using miis out there

  • 78 master5o1 // Mar 27, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Re: Twilight Hack;

    Goodnight, my Sweet Prince.

  • 79 jjsullivan // Mar 27, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    @fergochos

    This is how the original twilight hack worked

    1. The text message that the npc in front of you delivers actually causes a frame buffer overflow( Basically gives your wii and excuse to go into crash recovery mode)

    2. Instead of crash recovery mode, the hacked save file forces your wii to launch the homebrew channel installer (loader.bin)

    3. The homebrew channel installer has successfully loaded and you may install the homebrew channel.

    Until there is another game that has a possibility of having an error as bad as the twilight princess had there is no other way of installing any homebrew through the twilight hack. Also nintendo with It’s new firmware has not just added the feature to automatically delete corrupted save files upon load, but just block any suspicious save files.

  • 80 bushing // Mar 27, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    @jjsullivan: I don’t think Nintendo has added the ability to “just block any suspicious save files” — there’s no way for them to take a savefile for some random game and decide if it’s suspicious. No, instead it checks to see if the game is RZDx, and then checks the lengths of a few strings. (They just finally fixed all the bugs in those checks).

    They’ll have to start over with any new savegame hack.

  • 81 wilsonsblogspace.wordpress.com/ // Mar 28, 2009 at 10:00 am

    LOL, HomebreWare is screwed!!!!!. Thats the best thing that happened to the Hackmii team.

  • 82 Scorchio17 // Mar 28, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    I’ve just recently started looking into Wii homebrew, I mainly want to use custom textures in Brawl, but I already updated to 4.0.

    Do I have any options to get any sort of homebrew on my Wii, short of hardmodding it? Is there any way to downgrade my Wii? Any other way to execute the homebrew channel installer?

  • 83 trekkie // Mar 28, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Well, as long as the normal homebrew works, it’s OK.
    But i still got to figure out how to set the Region for the mplayer to german, it’s quite frustrating, having everything only in english.(I understand it, but I’d still prefer german).
    However, I’d also like to install the Linux-Homebrew with Firefox, but unfortunately, that’s not to be run from the HBC, but I need a working TwillightHack for that to install.
    Also those GeckoOS-Codes for SimCityCreator doesn’t seem to work using Ocarina(GeckoOS hangs everytime before displaying the Menu-Points).

    However, I really dislike pirated WiiWare and VC, since it’s quite easy to buy those legally.
    But maybe, we’ll get to get a new Loader for all this, which works from the SD-Slot itself, using the new SD-Compatibility.

  • 84 nickohero // Mar 28, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    ok. i just want to ask one thing.

    i am running 3.2E with HBC installed. so if i update my wii to 4.0E. Will i be able to still use homebrew (sorry if it’s a noobish question).

    And if i can update, should i update?

  • 85 Bloodlust // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:05 am

    Hi bushing, I know its a bit awkward to ask here but I currently have a Wii upgraded to 4.0 which missed out a step of installing IOS249 (Needed for IOS downgrader in order to retain the trucha bug & also enables the wad manager to work). However I did install IOS60 and I was given a fake CIOS installer which is a patchme core written by you that attempts to install IOS36 as IOS249 (Please see the attached screenshot link)

    http://i44.tinypic.com/fm836a.jpg

    It still failed. Now I only need to find a way to install IOS249. Do you have a solution?

  • 86 Roberto G. // Mar 29, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    I bricked my Wii with Banner Brick! The Health screen comes, i click A and… nothing! Please, make BootMii real!

    Thanks!

  • 87 TreeZn // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Please help! Marcan or anyone who is knowledgeable about the wii and HBC.

    Ive noticed a couple other questions about de-updateing your wii that may have been overlooked. I have a couple questions, one in regards to de-updateing and another about the possibilities of a new way to install the HBC.

    I am new and I only heard about HBC recently. Unfortunately I already downloaded the Wii 4.0 update. I really would like to install HBC but at the same point I assume that I would have to format my wii first. My issues with that are that I will lose all my created mii information, my mario kart wii information and i’m not sure but maybe even the additional games that I have already payed for and downloaded from the wii shop channel.
    Now I may be incorrect about all of that and thats what I would like to clear up.

    First off, can I undo my updates by formatting my wii system?
    Second, Is it worth it to lose all my saves that cant be moved to sd and my mii info in order to get HBC now, or would it be wise for me to be patient in hopes that the issue will be solved quickly and that i could hopefully get it installed on my wii ithin the next couple of weeks?

    Basicly, do I wait? Is something new coming or should I take my losses and just get HBC now?

  • 88 me.yahoo.com/thegamefrea… // Mar 30, 2009 at 11:06 am

    @TreeZn: “Formatting” your Wii from the system menu doesn’t downgrade it, it just deletes your downloaded channel and save data. (Doesn’t even delete the system channels.) If you’ve got 4.0 already, sorry to say, you’re simply stuck without homebrew until they release a new hack for running custom code.

    If you’re talking about actually erasing the NAND (the chip that your Wii’s system files are stored on) please don’t, that’s a surefire way to brick your wii in a heartbeat. Besides, you can’t do that directly with code, and it takes a lot of skill to pull off from the outside.

  • 89 alexlurch // Mar 30, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Hello, I’ve scanned all the posts and don’t think there is an answer to the following yet regarding system menu 4.0:

    I currently have the HBC installed under system menu 3.4U. I understand that upgrading to 4.0 will not affect current HBC. However, if I upgrade to 4.0, will I still be able to use the Homebrew Browser (already installed) to download and install additional Hombrew apps?

    Thanks!

  • 90 snesreviews // Mar 31, 2009 at 3:09 am

    Thanks for the info guys – I trusted you… and it paid off :). Just upgraded safely 3.3e =>4.0e and the homebrew channel remained in tact, and all the following applications smoke tested ok:

    ftpii
    Homebrew Browser
    Quake
    Snes9X GX
    WiiDoom

    I can also confirm that HBC’s remote loading with wiiload.exe also still works, so pretty much everything I ever tried remains unaffected as long as the exploit has been carried out pre-upgrade :).

    Thanks guys!

  • 91 sillian // Mar 31, 2009 at 3:57 am

    Hi,
    i’m new here, and i’ve updated my new wii with the original 4.0 firmware (never used HBC or any type of hack).

    I would know 2 simple think:

    1) There’s a solution in developement for unloack the wii with original 4.0 firmware?

    2) Will be possible to install homebrew on a wii with the original 4.0 firmware?

    Thx.

  • 92 TreeZn // Apr 1, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Well that sucks, I guess i’ll have to wait:( I hope they find another exploit or a way to get the old one too work with 4.0.

    Thanks for the answer me.yahoo.com/thegamefreak0134

  • 93 sleepy // Apr 1, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Thanks snesreviews, my Wii is 3.1u and I needed to know if i could update to 3.2 using wiiload without having my firmware updated to 4.0, thanks for posting your results. I’m just a noob at this and didn’t want mess things up. I installed hbc last week and still trying to sort out what to do next. I’m thinking I want 3.2 firmware update before installing DVDX. I was hoping to find a game with the 3.2u update on it but no luck.

  • 94 nba_man_12 // Apr 3, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    yeah i was thinkin the same thing as sillian… i updated my wii then i played mario kart wii online and was realizing that people were hacking so i started looking up stuff online and found out about homebrew and have been trying to download it to my wii. no luck there, because of the update i guess that was my problem… if there is a way to get homebrew even with the new update that would be great but until then ill wait

  • 95 bfate13 // Apr 8, 2009 at 12:41 am

    So the Twilight hack dies with the new update. I see this. If your system doesnt have the new update does the Twilight hack live on?

  • 96 GamingMedley.com // Apr 9, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    If HBC and DVDX are already installed, is there any reason NOT to upgrade to 4.0?

  • 97 jakehikky // Apr 13, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Hi Guys

    I have spent 2 days readin through hundreds of forums and im now completley lost lol.

    I have my Bro’s wii at my house it is on system menu 4.0

    im looking to install hbc on it for the obvious reasons.

    i have it installed on my 3.4 wii no probs at all using the AMAZING twighlight hack

    i keep reading about bootmii and all this other stuff just wondered if someone could point me in right direction of what i should do to get HBC on this 4.0 machine or if i do need to wait if there is an ETA i could give him.

    Im willing to test files if needed i have read about bannerbomb etc etc but i was told this was the only site to believe what i read?

    Thanks in advance

  • 98 sillian // Apr 14, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    What about the new Exploit by comex? The twizers are thinking to use that for create a new version of the hbc installer?

  • 99 eriQ_10 // Apr 15, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    well thats what i thought but apparently i was wrong…
    what happened is I copied my HBC installation to my sd card then deleted it from my system memory thinking that i would be able to run the HBC from my sd card so i updated. And now it will not run. And i cannot copy the HBC back to the system memory so i guess i am up a creek :(

  • 100 jacktim // Apr 17, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Summary:

    IOS16 enables pirates (software pirates) to use wiis for their own devious ends, and therefore is illegal to download/use. Don’t talk about it here.

    Currently the System Upgrade V 4.0 released by Nintendo kills the saved copy of the Twilight hack, nothing else. It is safe to update to 4.0 if Homebrew/HBC is already installed on your Wii, as it doesn’t seem to have any effect on currently installed homebrew.

    Comex is working on an exploit that maybe used in a similar fashion to what Team Twiizers and their Twilight Hack have been doing.

    In short: V4.0 Kills Twilight hack, half-asses SD loading, and expands support up to 32GB SDHC cards. That’s it. I’d imagine that the effective timetable for building the new exploit would be about 2-3 months from now or less. As these guys to quick and impressive work.

    R.I.P. Twilight Hack, you’ve been a great help.

  • 101 h0mi // Apr 17, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Got a question. I want to continue to use Ocarina as well as the savegame extractor/installer but also access the store and I’m at 3.3u version of my software. Do I go ahead an upgrade to 4.0?

  • 102 nintendude // Apr 23, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    Hi everyone! I’m new here and to Homebrew as well. As a matter of fact, before looking into whether or not there was a action replay-like device for Wii games yesterday, I didn’t know that it even existed! I’ve been doing my research about it, and it sucks that the Twilight hack doesn’t work anymore (at least for people like me who updated their Wii to 4.0 as soon as it was announced from Nintendo). But, it looks as though BootMii is that silver lining on an otherwise dark cloud.

    I think that what you can do with the Homebrew channel is great. Now I’m not one for cheating when it comes to beating the game the first time through and experiencing it, but after completely beating it, it’s great that something like Homebrew can give it excellent replay value.

    For example: lately I’ve been revisiting Brawl after going through other games like Mario Kart and Mario Galaxy. After playing Brawl for a little bit (pretty much everything’s beat on it), I started to grow a little bored with it. Hence of why I looked into Homebrew (after all, AR was great for Melee).

    Now, I’m not here to ask anything like an ETA on when BootMii will be done (or the public beta for that matter), as I understand that the great minds behind this have more testing to do and stuff (not to mention their own lives to live), but I just wanted to comment on how great I think you guys are for making something like Homebrew and applaud you for doing your best to make Homebrew something useable for people like me.

    I do have a couple of things to ask though: 1)will BootMii be installed just like Homebrew was (as far as getting the necessary info to make it work on an SD card is concerned)? And 2)If yes to Q1, do you have plans to add Mac OS to the list of supported OSs?

    Any answers will be appreciated. Keep up the good work and I can’t wait to try the public beta (as long as my remains bootable, that is).

  • 103 Kayn // May 12, 2009 at 1:25 am

    First of all, i have to thank you guys for all the great work you have done!!!

    I have the wii with the firmware 4.0 so twilight hack didnt work on my wii i dont even tried to install it), and for all i have been reading, bootmii would be the solution for those who have this firmware ver?
    Or there would be another type of exploit like the twilight hack to install the HBC and the others applications?
    I really appreciate your work, and i cant wait to have this applications on mi wii T.T

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