Comments on: Why the Wii will never get any better http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/ Notes from inside your Wii Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:05:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: emailtoid.net/i/13ddb761/… http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-5311 emailtoid.net/i/13ddb761/… Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:59:50 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-5311 "You can’t blame Nintendo for the Wii." Yes you can. They chose making money over making a quality system, and as a result crippled this entire generation of systems. Now the other 2 system makers are crawling over themselves to copy Wii's crappy "replace pressing X to swing sword with wave wand to swing sword" I used to love Nintendo, but the Wii/DS has ruined them for me, and is ruining the real gaming systems “You can’t blame Nintendo for the Wii.”

Yes you can. They chose making money over making a quality system, and as a result crippled this entire generation of systems. Now the other 2 system makers are crawling over themselves to copy Wii’s crappy “replace pressing X to swing sword with wave wand to swing sword”

I used to love Nintendo, but the Wii/DS has ruined them for me, and is ruining the real gaming systems

]]> By: emailtoid.net/i/13ddb761/… http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-5310 emailtoid.net/i/13ddb761/… Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:25:17 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-5310 "(slapping the old processor on the board doesn’t count)" Yes it does! That's the best method! That gives you 99.999% compatibility! Any system using that is not "lazily" slapped on. What do you want? An emulator that barely works? “(slapping the old processor on the board doesn’t count)”

Yes it does! That’s the best method! That gives you 99.999% compatibility! Any system using that is not “lazily” slapped on. What do you want? An emulator that barely works?

]]> By: me.yahoo.com/nande_kudas… http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-5247 me.yahoo.com/nande_kudas… Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:09:20 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-5247 well, first i must say that i always liked what nintendo did. but this has shine a lot of light to me, the least i can say is thanks. this is truly instructive and so intresting, thanks for writing all the details :D well, first i must say that i always liked what nintendo did.
but this has shine a lot of light to me, the least i can say is thanks.
this is truly instructive and so intresting, thanks for writing all the details :D

]]> By: emailtoid.net/i/f63b91e0/… http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-4669 emailtoid.net/i/f63b91e0/… Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:29:46 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-4669 After seeing your 1st march post, I just had a random thought. Maybe nintendo could implent some sort of learning system, at first startup you choose "Easy", "Medium" and "Expert" (or maybe better names for the system). If you choose either Easy or Medium it would ask after 1-2 weeks if you want to raise the difficulty of the system. Or maybe a system based on which persons use the systems are better, like it asks questions "How many people are you in your family?", "Whats your age?" (45-year old grandma probably don't know as much as her 24-year old son, or whatever). Now that sounds great, eh! That way you can have different "users" with different settings and gamesaves, custom channel positions, own purchased channels(but be able to share them with other users). How about that? I'd love to see this kinda system, it would really be different compared to the other two big companies. However I would probably not use it anyway, after we moved I got the Wii in my room instead of the living room :) After seeing your 1st march post, I just had a random thought. Maybe nintendo could implent some sort of learning system, at first startup you choose “Easy”, “Medium” and “Expert” (or maybe better names for the system). If you choose either Easy or Medium it would ask after 1-2 weeks if you want to raise the difficulty of the system. Or maybe a system based on which persons use the systems are better, like it asks questions “How many people are you in your family?”, “Whats your age?” (45-year old grandma probably don’t know as much as her 24-year old son, or whatever). Now that sounds great, eh! That way you can have different “users” with different settings and gamesaves, custom channel positions, own purchased channels(but be able to share them with other users). How about that? I’d love to see this kinda system, it would really be different compared to the other two big companies. However I would probably not use it anyway, after we moved I got the Wii in my room instead of the living room :)

]]> By: godrik http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-4628 godrik Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:39:03 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-4628 Hi, I will have some questions about the (absent) runtime of the wii. Basically the problem is that when the game is loaded, there is no longer any firmware/OS code running except the IOS. This means drivers are defined by games probably through static library. There should not be hundreds version of these libraries so it should be easy to spot them in the code. Then could we strip them to replace them at load time by some other versions ? This could allow to correct bug in the libraries. Even more, we could perhaps use those call as entry point in a non-preemptive kernel. It would not be as cool as a classical operating system, but it could be nice. Of course, this assume that all the hardware operations are performed inside library calls and not by changing a register somewhere. More thought. There could be a new operating systems for future games. I believe Nintendo could change the wiimenu to behave like a classical OS. If you boot an old game, you trash everything as before. If you boot a newer game, you run it inside the OS. It means that old games would stay as they are, but future games could benefit from the OS improvement. (I am not saying they will do it. I am staying hypothetical.) My next comments would be about linux. (I believe you know that but). There is currently a version of linux that runs on the wii called whiite (there is also a version of the geexbox distribution that I believe run on the same kernel). whiite seems to be a fork (or a patch) over linux-gc to boot on the wii. Some questions: -Is whiite the good starting point to build a wii version of linux ? -there is no wifi support under whiite. A driver would be the best solution but could we use the TCP/IP stack of the wii in IOS to workaround the lack of a wifi driver ? Hi, I will have some questions about the (absent) runtime of the wii. Basically the problem is that when the game is loaded, there is no longer any firmware/OS code running except the IOS.
This means drivers are defined by games probably through static library.

There should not be hundreds version of these libraries so it should be easy to spot them in the code. Then could we strip them to replace them at load time by some other versions ?
This could allow to correct bug in the libraries. Even more, we could perhaps use those call as entry point in a non-preemptive kernel. It would not be as cool as a classical operating system, but it could be nice.

Of course, this assume that all the hardware operations are performed inside library calls and not by changing a register somewhere.

More thought. There could be a new operating systems for future games. I believe Nintendo could change the wiimenu to behave like a classical OS. If you boot an old game, you trash everything as before. If you boot a newer game, you run it inside the OS. It means that old games would stay as they are, but future games could benefit from the OS improvement. (I am not saying they will do it. I am staying hypothetical.)

My next comments would be about linux. (I believe you know that but). There is currently a version of linux that runs on the wii called whiite (there is also a version of the geexbox distribution that I believe run on the same kernel). whiite seems to be a fork (or a patch) over linux-gc to boot on the wii. Some questions:
-Is whiite the good starting point to build a wii version of linux ?
-there is no wifi support under whiite. A driver would be the best solution but could we use the TCP/IP stack of the wii in IOS to workaround the lack of a wifi driver ?

]]> By: metayoshi http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-4560 metayoshi Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:02:04 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-4560 Haha, I love how you guessed perfectly exactly what Nintendo's storage "solution" would be about a month before Nintendo released it. I mean... It works pretty well, according to the testimonials I've heard and read, but it seriously shows how flawed Nintendo's little system is. Haha, I love how you guessed perfectly exactly what Nintendo’s storage “solution” would be about a month before Nintendo released it. I mean… It works pretty well, according to the testimonials I’ve heard and read, but it seriously shows how flawed Nintendo’s little system is.

]]> By: peterjung http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-4442 peterjung Sun, 22 Mar 2009 10:41:44 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-4442 Firmware 3.5K I now have this on one of my Korean wiis. I have been unable to get the Twilight Hack to work and install homebrew channel on a second wii I bought several weeks ago originally with 3.3K firmware. However, previously I was able to install the Homebrew Channel on a Korean wii bought late last year, also with 3.3K firmware. It seems that although both Korean wii's had 3.3K, something had been changed in the more recently shipped wii's. Today I updated to 3.5k and tried the Twilight Hack for firmware 3.4. The result was: Loading Installation Data... Checking System ... I'm running under IOS21 2.7 Error checking System Menu Version Press Accept or Cancel to exit to the Wii System Menu. Now strangely, this is exactly the same result I got when previously trying to run the Twilight Hack on the later shpped wii with 3.3K? Could it be that Nintendo found another way to block installation of the HBC with later version of 3.3K as well as on 3.5k. Anyway, is there any possibility that a new version of the twilight hack for firmware 3.5K will be devised? Or another way of installing HBC on 3.5K firmware? Firmware 3.5K

I now have this on one of my Korean wiis. I have been unable to get the Twilight Hack to work and install homebrew channel on a second wii I bought several weeks ago originally with 3.3K firmware. However, previously I was able to install the Homebrew Channel on a Korean wii bought late last year, also with 3.3K firmware.

It seems that although both Korean wii’s had 3.3K, something had been changed in the more recently shipped wii’s.

Today I updated to 3.5k and tried the Twilight Hack for firmware 3.4. The result was:

Loading Installation Data…
Checking System …
I’m running under IOS21 2.7
Error checking System Menu Version
Press Accept or Cancel to exit to the Wii System Menu.

Now strangely, this is exactly the same result I got when previously trying to run the Twilight Hack on the later shpped wii with 3.3K?

Could it be that Nintendo found another way to block installation of the HBC with later version of 3.3K as well as on 3.5k.

Anyway, is there any possibility that a new version of the twilight hack for firmware 3.5K will be devised? Or another way of installing HBC on 3.5K firmware?

]]> By: techni.livejournal.com/ http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-4426 techni.livejournal.com/ Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:31:21 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-4426 PSP's OS is more advanced. PSP’s OS is more advanced.

]]> By: techni.livejournal.com/ http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-4425 techni.livejournal.com/ Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:28:00 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-4425 I find it hilarious some Nintendo fanboys are defending Nintendo's actions (ie: The idiot agreeing with 'Gamers don't want online') and even saying Wii is better because of these stupid, crippling design decisions I find it hilarious some Nintendo fanboys are defending Nintendo’s actions (ie: The idiot agreeing with ‘Gamers don’t want online’) and even saying Wii is better because of these stupid, crippling design decisions

]]> By: marcan http://hackmii.com/2009/02/why-the-wii-will-never-get-any-better/comment-page-2/#comment-4420 marcan Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:10:39 +0000 http://hackmii.com/?p=463#comment-4420 @HyperHacker: You just described what BootMii is about. Said "homebrew IOS" already exists, and even recently got a name: Mini (Mini Is Not IOS). It's the Starlet code that will ship with BootMii. @HyperHacker:

You just described what BootMii is about. Said “homebrew IOS” already exists, and even recently got a name: Mini (Mini Is Not IOS). It’s the Starlet code that will ship with BootMii.

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