Comments on: Your Wii is not a PSP (or an Xbox, or …)

By: Custom firmware IOS para Wii at alexnoguera blog

Custom firmware IOS para Wii at alexnoguera blog — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:25:13 +0000

[...] Como dicen en hackMii, la Wii no es una PSP. [...]

By: Lucid

Lucid — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:06:53 +0000

Will you make a plugin feature like the PSP?
(Being that you mentioned a future recovery menu)

By: Homebrew - Wii System Menu update STOPPT Twilight Hack! - Wiihack.de

Homebrew - Wii System Menu update STOPPT Twilight Hack! - Wiihack.de — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:57:15 +0000

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By: Maat

Maat — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:18:16 +0000

@Baosen
Yes it’s written a few articles back about the dual memory hack that a guy did ,this is like the only 2 PSP modchips, but the problem is that the wii has 512MB of memory against the 32MB of PSP,well that would make the modchip more expensive and maybe less probable, but hey if somebody would do it, it would be good for developers write and read the flash at their will(of course i forgot to mention that there’s infectus mod chip that can read and write in wii’s memory,but it ins’t like the psp modchips,since it doesnt hold information,just writes)…..

Something that would be great would be to remove wii’s health screen, just like they did with the DS… something that just ocurred me,maybe the olny modification in the firmware we are gonna see is the same that was made for NDS,that only was done for removing the health screen and making it safe against bricks,and to play flashcarts using the GBA SLOT(i think the last one we will not see in the wii)

By: Baosen

Baosen — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:55:42 +0000

Are you able to create something like the PSP DEVolution? It’s a mod used to flash the “firmware-chip” of the PSP, if something gets wrong with it (bricking etc).

By: Jinxvorheeze

Jinxvorheeze — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:23:10 +0000

@Chris
I don’t need to read the article again. I understood what he was saying perfectly, and agreed with him every step of the way. I even agreed that what Waninkoko did will never amount to anything more than a neat proof of concept. You can’t deny the man his feats even if it wont become some miraculous saving grace of the Wii homebrew scene, the fact he did it is a task in its own. Do I agree with the way he is going about announcing it? No, he is making it seem like a huge step in Wii Hacking which it most certainly is not. But to say that he did not put any work or effort forward in this project would be downright ignorant, but effort unfortunately does not guarantee usefulness. It takes the understanding that the system menu is not what actually controls the Wii security checks, so downgrading it does no good. Take downgrading the current menu, it doesn’t remove IOS37 because IOS37 isn’t built into the system menu. This is not a NAND hack, it is a shell replacement hack (of sorts).

By: marcan

marcan — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:54:40 +0000

@Link: There are three problems with that argument:
- Sure, downgrades *might* have a chance of being useful for developers (but see below), just as we have patched IOSes that output debug information to aid in experimentation. But we don’t publish them or show them off because it only leads to fruitless mental masturbation and because they’re useless to most people.

- There are ways of testing out hacks without bricking a Wii – say, using an Infectus like bushing does – so we don’t need system menu downgrades as a way of keeping things safe during experimentation.

- If you can run the downgrader, you can run any other homebrew. If you can run homebrew, you can boot any IOS. If you boot an old IOS, you can do anything. For example, you could take a copy of the new secure IOS, install it as another IOS number, and test patches out there. You can even boot the new system menu with that fake new but patched IOS – we have tools to do that without actually installing a modified menu. In the end, everything that you described can be done in far safer ways, without modifying or downgrading the system at all, and only install a modified IOS once you’ve fully tested it out.

By: Link

Link — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:39:12 +0000

Well, I thought about that system menu downgrade thing too and I agree – yeah, it’s probably not worth it for now. However, I can imagine that it would be its way. Imagine Nintendo rushes out with a fixed IOS and the new menu uses that IOS. I’d say it’s dangerious to patch the IOS because maybe your menu won’t boot at all anymore. A temporary downgrade would help – like downgrading X (X >= 3.3) to 3.2 just to make sure – we’re back to IOS30. Then write a homebrew which would want to use IOSxx (xx might be 37 but that’s not important – xx should be just a version which has strong security checks) . Then you can patch IOSxx and try whether your homebrew still functions. After that, you can be sure your patch works and upgrade your system menu again.

I probably do not have to much of an idea about the internals that’s what I personally though of. However, correct me, if I am writing garbage.

For now however I agree: downgrading the system menu as of now doesn’t give you an advantage over anything!

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:25:42 +0000

@Jinxvorheeze :

read the article gain, what Waninkoko did , will NEVER be useful in this form, so why did he mentionned this would EVENTUALLY be releaded when it becomes useful ?

Simple, to make people think he is working on something genius and to grab some attention (who said paypal donation ?) from fooled people hoping their “dreams” come true.

By: Wii Updates - Part 3 » Restart

Wii Updates - Part 3 » Restart — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:51:57 +0000

[...] this front, there is a post by Bushing highlighting the potential issues with this kind of a downgrade. He also talks about [...]