In my case, I only buy original discs but I am guilty of having a modchip. I bought my console from back home- the u.s. and since I’m an ex-pat working overseas, I had it modded so I can just buy pal games locally.

My mistake was a simple update and boom, my wii was semi bricked. I paid for all my games. I am just glad my wii is back to normal except for duplicate channels. Thanks Bushing for the fix!

I don’t think having a modchip can be equal to piracy if I pay for my original games, although I am guilty of cross-region purchase. My point is, there are tools we can put to good or bad use, in the end, we are responsible for our own actions.

I believe Bushing’s decision to release the fix for semi bricked wiis is commendable and it would be a big PR disaster for Nintendo if they ask that it be taken down.

As to the recipe example, that’s why we have trademark law, to prevent people from misrepresenting products. It has nothing to do with “stealing.”

steve, so if I make a copy of a product I own I’m stealing since I’m not buying the backup copy…

Do I write in Engrish or you don’t understand what I wrote about the open source?

There is very little in common between the two cases so I won’t even try to compare them – if you think there is no difference between them and make me explain it to you I’ll probably have to insult you and/or your father in the progress.

Then how about if I invent a product that have the same recipe and start selling it, is that stealing too?

You have no room to argue open source “stealing”, as that is legally covered in a license, the license you accept when you use the software. If a devloper violates that in their software, or a firm, they need to have their asses nailed to the wall for it. The difference in open source is a developer chooses to have their software that way.

“No your father was ripped of and although it is not exactly stealing from him it is still unfair for him.” So, by that logic, is it fair to the software company? NO!

By the way, definition of stealing – ” to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right” IP is property. If you were to take the recipe for coke and make an exact duplicate, would that be stealing? YES! You stole the recipe, and thus deny them of profits…

Again, all irrelivant. nobody will change because of what I have to say on the internet.

Option #0 is the same as my option #2. Option #4 is not yet feasible, but I’m trying to change that.

Anybody (users, newbs, whoever) who denies that gun’s are mostly used for killing is either stupid or dishonest. No more, no less.

(I think it’s a bad idea to make something you know will be mostly used for killing; if you disagree, that doesn’t make you a killer or stupid. It just means you we disagree.)

I agree with you about the unbrick discs.

You forgot:
0) Buy another Wii, chip it again but this time with better chip so he won’t be able to brick it with imported disk (original or not)
4) Fix it himself

Who cares what other illegal “things” have You done… we (or atleast) are/I’m grateful for what you have done until now and about the few other illegal things you must have done to do it.

1) I don’t like it when people lie and make excuses and call pirated VC games “homebrew” and pirated discs “backups”.

2) I don’t think people should pirate software, because developers deserve to be compensated for their work.

I think we agree on #1, and I don’t think it’s worth arguing #2 — I know that I won’t change your mind. So, I respect you for being honest.

To respond to your other points, individually:

* I never said “coders who make WAD Installers are pirates”. Anybody (coders, users, newbs, whoever) who denies that WAD installers / ISO loaders are mostly used for warez is either stupid or dishonest. No more, no less.

(I think it’s a bad idea to make something you know will be mostly used for piracy; if you disagree, that doesn’t make you a pirate or stupid. It just means we disagree.)

* Yes, you’re right. The system-menu-update ISOs contain two pieces of code (WADS! ohnoes) by Nintendo — IOS30, and the appropriate System Menu. I hesitated to release these, because of that reason — but I made a judgement call. I decided that the discs would help many people, and that they wouldn’t really hurt Nintendo (and I explain why below). I don’t think Nintendo will care, but if they ask me to I’ll take them down.

* Bricking is bad for everyone. It’s bad for the user, because it makes their Wii less useful (or useless, depending.) It’s bad for me because it makes it hard to hack on most of the interesting Wii code that I want to hack on.

It’s even bad for Nintendo. If you brick your Wii by booting a pirated copy of whatever, you have three choices if you want to continue to play video games:

1) Buy another Wii, and stop pirating games and start buying real games
2) Buy another Wii, chip it again, and try to be more careful
3) Buy another video game system.

If you do 1), they make a good profit (an extra Wii + the licensing fees from games you would have pirated but are now too scared to).

If you do 2), they make a little bit of profit (on the new Wii), but nothing more.

If you do 3), they lose you as a customer to Microsoft or Sony.

I think they lose more money to #3 than they make from #1 + #2. They also lose money if some people manage to trick them into fixing their bricked Wiis under warranty, and they get a little bit of bad press.

Also, they hope that they can fix the security holes and make people start buying games again, but that doesn’t work if people switch to PS3.

What other illegal “things” have I done?

You’re all just a bunch of hypocrites, and don’t accept other Teams works when they are as ilegal as all yours.

My opinion is: If you woldn’t have exploited the Wii in the first place, none of this would have happened.

We can use your exploit for good, and for bad, exactly as the WAD/ISO’s things you’re talking about.
So, if you say that coders who make WAD Installers are pirates, I call you pirates too for making the exploit. Not only pirates, but guilty of ALL the losses Nintendo is having.

PD: I’m just applying your big chunk of text/garbage to other things, 100% acceptable by everyone.

PD2: Yes, I pirate games. Also, I pirate banners and use them to make channels, using Marcan’s apploader. It’s all pirate, and you can’t do anything about it.

and keep taking names!